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5.05pm: Ram says the contamination could have been due to from doctors or Supt Jude. "It was innocent contamination."
"At the moment we do not know who and how the peri-anal samples were handled."
5.00pm: Ram says there is a possibility of the samples being contaminated.
He says that there is an unknown male DNA found in B5 besides that of "Male Y" in the peri-anal swab.
4.50pm: Ram says there are examples of degradation of other samples.
(There were 12 swabs taken during the HKL doctor's examination of Saiful).
"Some are pristine some are not," says the lawyer.
"... The Court of Appeal judges had erred where the High Court judge had got it right."
4.40pm: Ram says in every mixture in (sexual acts) sperm cells must be separated from the non-sperm cells.
"But the DNA of 'Male Y' is found to be pristine. The point from Mc Donalds B7, B8 and B9 samples are pristine.
"It cannot be pristine. I go further to say they are not the same samples. If they are the same samples, there will be a lot of degradation," he adds.
4.30pm: Ram says if the samples are not properly preserved, how could it be pristine.
He says in the B8 high rectal swab where there is a mixture i.e. a major and minor contributor.
"It is pristine and this is inconsistent with history.
"Similarly with B9 the lower rectal, it is pristine," he says, adding that the sample was taken after 96 hours but looked fresh.
4.20pm: Ram says if there was a dispute, the prosecution can call its expert witness to rebut.
"The fact is that the samples are found to be pristine."
The defence lawyer says the samples were retrieved after 96 hours, and should show degradation.
Justice Arifin asks if there are samples to show degradation.
"If it is degraded it would become a mess i.e. no reading."
5.05pm: Ram says the contamination could have been due to from doctors or Supt Jude. "It was innocent contamination."
"At the moment we do not know who and how the peri-anal samples were handled."
5.00pm: Ram says there is a possibility of the samples being contaminated.
He says that there is an unknown male DNA found in B5 besides that of "Male Y" in the peri-anal swab.
4.50pm: Ram says there are examples of degradation of other samples.
(There were 12 swabs taken during the HKL doctor's examination of Saiful).
"Some are pristine some are not," says the lawyer.
"... The Court of Appeal judges had erred where the High Court judge had got it right."
4.40pm: Ram says in every mixture in (sexual acts) sperm cells must be separated from the non-sperm cells.
"But the DNA of 'Male Y' is found to be pristine. The point from Mc Donalds B7, B8 and B9 samples are pristine.
"It cannot be pristine. I go further to say they are not the same samples. If they are the same samples, there will be a lot of degradation," he adds.
4.30pm: Ram says if the samples are not properly preserved, how could it be pristine.
He says in the B8 high rectal swab where there is a mixture i.e. a major and minor contributor.
"It is pristine and this is inconsistent with history.
"Similarly with B9 the lower rectal, it is pristine," he says, adding that the sample was taken after 96 hours but looked fresh.
4.20pm: Ram says if there was a dispute, the prosecution can call its expert witness to rebut.
"The fact is that the samples are found to be pristine."
The defence lawyer says the samples were retrieved after 96 hours, and should show degradation.
Justice Arifin asks if there are samples to show degradation.
"If it is degraded it would become a mess i.e. no reading."
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