VOXPOP 'It's rather bizarre that an ex-IGP is being accused by his contemporaries in the force to such an extent as having close links with an underworld boss.'
'Ex-IGP lied he does not know underworld boss'
Anonymous_4020: The Commercial Crime Investigations Department (CCID) is completely dead now. It has not recovered from the battering it gotfrom Copgate.
Well-documented police reports to it against multi-million dollar thefts go uninvestigated for years. It appears to be doing work only according to the bidding of those who are well-connected.
Its spine is completely broken so commercial crime is rampant in this country. You can forge signatures and Jabatan Kimia (Chemistry Department) can confirm the forgery, but you will get away.
I, too, am very ready to testify if a tribunal is called.
Dumb&Deaf: Former inspector-general of police (IGP) Musa Hassan and former Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) chief Ahmad Said Hamdan reluctantly resigned before their full term due to internal pressure because they had become too embarrassing to Umno.
But that does not absolve them from responsibility for all the wrongdoing they had committed while serving as public servants. Even posthumously they can be charged, found guilty, and sentenced to eternal shame.
Ourvotesdecide!: This disclosure alone clearly shows an urgent need to set up a royal commission of inquiry (RCI) on our Royal Malaysian Police (PDRM) and the Home Ministry.
Both institutions - PDRM and Home Ministry - are supposed to look after our nation's security but the top people therein are themselves the rotten apples.
With such easily bought/corrupt characters and personalities heading these institutions, enemies of Malaysia would have bought our nation's secret from them easily and very cheaply.
Dr Suresh Kumar: It's a disgrace to the nation. The home minister should be ashamed that he has put politics ahead of the public's safety and well-being by refusing to initiate investigations against attorney-general Abdul Gani Patail and Musa.
The Malaysian public are not fools to believe their lies. Certainly not this member of the public. The crime figures get fudged to make them appear better than they are.
'Ex-IGP lied he does not know underworld boss'
Anonymous_4020: The Commercial Crime Investigations Department (CCID) is completely dead now. It has not recovered from the battering it gotfrom Copgate.Well-documented police reports to it against multi-million dollar thefts go uninvestigated for years. It appears to be doing work only according to the bidding of those who are well-connected.
Its spine is completely broken so commercial crime is rampant in this country. You can forge signatures and Jabatan Kimia (Chemistry Department) can confirm the forgery, but you will get away.
I, too, am very ready to testify if a tribunal is called.
Dumb&Deaf: Former inspector-general of police (IGP) Musa Hassan and former Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) chief Ahmad Said Hamdan reluctantly resigned before their full term due to internal pressure because they had become too embarrassing to Umno.
But that does not absolve them from responsibility for all the wrongdoing they had committed while serving as public servants. Even posthumously they can be charged, found guilty, and sentenced to eternal shame.
Ourvotesdecide!: This disclosure alone clearly shows an urgent need to set up a royal commission of inquiry (RCI) on our Royal Malaysian Police (PDRM) and the Home Ministry.
Both institutions - PDRM and Home Ministry - are supposed to look after our nation's security but the top people therein are themselves the rotten apples.
With such easily bought/corrupt characters and personalities heading these institutions, enemies of Malaysia would have bought our nation's secret from them easily and very cheaply.
Dr Suresh Kumar: It's a disgrace to the nation. The home minister should be ashamed that he has put politics ahead of the public's safety and well-being by refusing to initiate investigations against attorney-general Abdul Gani Patail and Musa.
The Malaysian public are not fools to believe their lies. Certainly not this member of the public. The crime figures get fudged to make them appear better than they are.
Who can forget Hishammuddin Hussein's latest daft statement on "the government not giving attention to crime rates since Merdeka?"
If he has any integrity left; he should resign immediately. 'Harapkan pagar, pagar makan padi'. What more can I say?
Starr: Johor cop jailed, fined RM1.7m for money laundering - in another news involving the police force flashing across the alternative media, a cop in Johor has been convicted for money laundering as headlined above.
Isn't it bizarre that a police officer can commit the crime of money laundering to the tune of RM3.8 million? With such a large sum of money involved, surely it must have been connected with the underworld, not everyday street crimes.
No wonder, even former PM Dr Mahathir Mohamad has to admit the 'devilish' nature of the Umno-BN government, but argues that it's still better the 'devil' you know than the 'angel' you don't. Of course, the rakyat won't be taken in easily by such a smooth talker.
Mushiro: Musa was rewarded by Mahathir for carrying the mattress to court in the Sodomy 1 case. That was how he got the IGP's post - he was not qualified or the best man for the job.
As IGP, Musa curbed all opposition political activities as demanded by his Umno bosses and he was given a free hand in his underworld activities. Hence during his term as IGP, no one, not even ministers, dare touch Musa.
Odin: A gang leader is reported to be the younger brother of an MCA deputy minister. An Umno Baru deputy minister is reported to have received bribes in two instances totalling RM5.5 million to have underworld figures released.
A former police top brass has repeatedly accused a former IGP and the AG of serious malpractices, but the latter two have not sued him.
All this, but the prime minister and the home minister have refused to act. The unwillingness on the part of both the accused and the government to disprove the accusations through the court leads one to surmise that the allegations are all factual and that the parties accused are all guilty and/or have something nefarious about themselves to hide and protect.
Onyourtoes: We should use our logic a little: How often a very senior police officer was charged in court for abusing power? How often we heard of a deputy minister being accused for releasing criminals in exchange of money?
To me, this is tit-for-tat, and so the revelation by former CCID chief Ramli Yusuff must have some truth. How can the police ever regain their credibility if allegations of such magnitude have gone unanswered?
When growing up, I have always looked to the police to right the wrong in our society. Now growing old, my perception has changed completely. Do we have the inkling that police are protecting the criminals and traumatising the victims?
Cannon: Not long ago, an ex-IGP - it was Hanif Omar, I think - who made this observation. The lifestyles of our police officers show that a significant percentage of them are living beyond their means. It's an endemic problem.
Based on the available, visible evidence, many of them can be hauled up straightaway for investigation. This was what Hanif said.
Najib Razak's administration, however, choose to look the other way. If Pemandu and the Home Ministry are committed to raise the performance of the police in fighting crime, they have fight corruption within the police force, starting from the top.
The administration have to ferret the officers who are on the take. We don't see the MACC doing anything here, do we? That's why Pakatan Rakyat must push for the establishment of IPCMC (Independent Police Complaints and Misconduct Commission).
Disgusted: I wonder what the Johor sultan has to say to all this that his state's police were on the take and that crime bosses ran rough shod over everyone.
The rate of crime in Johor is one of the highest amongst the states in Malaysia. In fact, it is no secret that gang bosses in Singapore use Johor as their base as well, and I suppose they have to pay Tengku Goh tribute as his vassals.
Why else should he be called Tengku? What an insult to the Johor royalty.
Moontime: The truth hurts, doesn't it? This reminds me of the movie entitled 'Serpico', which was based on a true story. Clearly, Ramli is our Frank Serpico here, but in the prevailing circumstances, there's only so much he can do.
When we have the existing AG, IGP and even the home minister in charge, it will be business as usual in Malaysia Boleh.
BN just doesn't have the political will to act against the underworld gangs and organised crime because it will be like ‘mutually assured destruction' (MAD) for them.
Sinner: Not having an RCI to investigate such serious revelations is a death knell for the ruling BN. There is no way out of this except a thorough investigation. - Malaysiakini
If he has any integrity left; he should resign immediately. 'Harapkan pagar, pagar makan padi'. What more can I say?
Starr: Johor cop jailed, fined RM1.7m for money laundering - in another news involving the police force flashing across the alternative media, a cop in Johor has been convicted for money laundering as headlined above.
Isn't it bizarre that a police officer can commit the crime of money laundering to the tune of RM3.8 million? With such a large sum of money involved, surely it must have been connected with the underworld, not everyday street crimes.
No wonder, even former PM Dr Mahathir Mohamad has to admit the 'devilish' nature of the Umno-BN government, but argues that it's still better the 'devil' you know than the 'angel' you don't. Of course, the rakyat won't be taken in easily by such a smooth talker.
Mushiro: Musa was rewarded by Mahathir for carrying the mattress to court in the Sodomy 1 case. That was how he got the IGP's post - he was not qualified or the best man for the job.
As IGP, Musa curbed all opposition political activities as demanded by his Umno bosses and he was given a free hand in his underworld activities. Hence during his term as IGP, no one, not even ministers, dare touch Musa.
Odin: A gang leader is reported to be the younger brother of an MCA deputy minister. An Umno Baru deputy minister is reported to have received bribes in two instances totalling RM5.5 million to have underworld figures released.
A former police top brass has repeatedly accused a former IGP and the AG of serious malpractices, but the latter two have not sued him.
All this, but the prime minister and the home minister have refused to act. The unwillingness on the part of both the accused and the government to disprove the accusations through the court leads one to surmise that the allegations are all factual and that the parties accused are all guilty and/or have something nefarious about themselves to hide and protect.
Onyourtoes: We should use our logic a little: How often a very senior police officer was charged in court for abusing power? How often we heard of a deputy minister being accused for releasing criminals in exchange of money?
To me, this is tit-for-tat, and so the revelation by former CCID chief Ramli Yusuff must have some truth. How can the police ever regain their credibility if allegations of such magnitude have gone unanswered?
When growing up, I have always looked to the police to right the wrong in our society. Now growing old, my perception has changed completely. Do we have the inkling that police are protecting the criminals and traumatising the victims?
Cannon: Not long ago, an ex-IGP - it was Hanif Omar, I think - who made this observation. The lifestyles of our police officers show that a significant percentage of them are living beyond their means. It's an endemic problem.
Based on the available, visible evidence, many of them can be hauled up straightaway for investigation. This was what Hanif said.
Najib Razak's administration, however, choose to look the other way. If Pemandu and the Home Ministry are committed to raise the performance of the police in fighting crime, they have fight corruption within the police force, starting from the top.
The administration have to ferret the officers who are on the take. We don't see the MACC doing anything here, do we? That's why Pakatan Rakyat must push for the establishment of IPCMC (Independent Police Complaints and Misconduct Commission).
Disgusted: I wonder what the Johor sultan has to say to all this that his state's police were on the take and that crime bosses ran rough shod over everyone.
The rate of crime in Johor is one of the highest amongst the states in Malaysia. In fact, it is no secret that gang bosses in Singapore use Johor as their base as well, and I suppose they have to pay Tengku Goh tribute as his vassals.
Why else should he be called Tengku? What an insult to the Johor royalty.
Moontime: The truth hurts, doesn't it? This reminds me of the movie entitled 'Serpico', which was based on a true story. Clearly, Ramli is our Frank Serpico here, but in the prevailing circumstances, there's only so much he can do.
When we have the existing AG, IGP and even the home minister in charge, it will be business as usual in Malaysia Boleh.
BN just doesn't have the political will to act against the underworld gangs and organised crime because it will be like ‘mutually assured destruction' (MAD) for them.
Sinner: Not having an RCI to investigate such serious revelations is a death knell for the ruling BN. There is no way out of this except a thorough investigation. - Malaysiakini
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