- Idris Haron: Show concrete proof that Hang Tuah is a myth
- Idris Haron: historians, academicians must prove Hang Tuah a myth.
- If they cannot, they should stop questioning Hang Tuah’s existence
(My comments : Idris' statement is illogical. Idris is asking people to prove a negative. You cannot prove a negative. Meaning you cannot prove something that does not exist.
The onus of proof is ALWAYS on the argument that says something does exist.
If you say the Bigfoot or the Yeti exists, then you must show proof of the Bigfoot's or the Yeti's existence.
It is illogical to say, 'Show proof that the Bigfoot and Yeti do not exist'.
Extending Idris illogic, he must also believe that "pari-pari pengiring Puteri Gunung Ledang, todak yang melanggar Singapura, Fakir Terbang Tasik Pedu, "flying spaghetti monster dan Santa Claus" all actually existed.
According to Idris, if you do not believe in pari-pari pengiring Puteri Gunung Ledang, Fakir Terbang Tasek Pedu and Santa Claus then you must show concrete proof that they did not exist. If you cannot proof that they did not exist, then they must have existed. And you must believe in them.
Dr Khoo Kay Kim said DNA test should be done to prove existence or myth.
(Did Prof Khoo really say this? I am surprised. Whose DNA? Hang Tuah's? Even if such DNA exists, how will we know it was Hang Tuah's DNA in the first place?)
Prof Ahmat Adam : admiral existed in Melaka, but rejected it was Hang Tuah
Malays suffered inferiority complex and needed hero (Hang Tuah)
Malays suffered inferiority complex and needed hero (Hang Tuah)
Idris : Hang Tuah story told in detail for over 600 years
well known in Malay annals, in Malay archipelago and across globe.
story written in detail is not something that can be easily fabricated.
story written in detail is not something that can be easily fabricated.
The clothes, weapons, madah and pantun were all recorded.
(Well in that case King Arthur of Camelot and the Knights of the Round Table must be very real for Idris. The story of King Arthur is also written in detail. The Trojan Horse must also be real for Idris. It is written in such detail.
As for The Malay Annals, they also mention :
- the geneology of Sang Sapurba from Alexander the Great
- his miraculous appearance in Bukit Seguntang
- the legend of Badang in Sri Rana Wikrama's court.
- and 'todak melanggar Singapura' stories
These are all myths as well, found written inside the Malay Annals.
Prof Jamil Mukmim said Hang Tuah existence proven by experts 60 years ago
the latest discovery, Japan
the latest discovery, Japan
only two reject Hang Tuah’s existence said the historian
I dont think too many serious historians are convinced that those are evidences or proof of Hang Tuah's existence. There are critical views.
Ali Rustam said Hang Tuah’s image closely related to Malay identity
any attempt to ‘erase’ Hang Tuah a threat to Malay identity
(Ali Rustam has hit the nail exactly on the head. There is an easy solution to this. The Malays must develop newer identities. Based on a more tangible reality. Not on myths.)
Conclusion : Human imagination can be used as a very powerful instrument. All you need to do is to conjure up or imagine some fantastic stories. Then get enough people to believe in your imaginary stories. Once you have done that, use power and influence to embarrass or punish anyone who does not believe your imaginary stories. That is also how they created religion.
The Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Karunanidhi who was an atheist once said 'Only the Ganges River and the Yamuna River are real while Rama and Sita are not.'
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