YOURSAY | ‘They’re fighting over which mangy cat should stand in which territory.’
Discontent continues to simmer in PKR Youth towards Muda
Falcon: There are far too many loose cannons in PKR. If the criticisms came from seasoned campaigners and those with proven track records, it may make sense.
But coming from persona non gratas and novices (PKR Youth and women’s wing members), on the back of two state election wipeouts, it’s shocking.
The ground has drastically changed since GE14 and changing still. Today it's glaring that PKR is the odd party with its rather strange leadership at each other’s throats within and among alleged partners.
When one cannot even control one's party or lead, it’s time to go. But no, they want all the 'big 4' in the coalition, each trying to believe they are still in control.
If handled badly, Johor will prove that their dream is over, political calculations wrong, and the nightmare starts as GE15 will be a predictable outcome.
Dr Raman Letchumanan: For us who are not connected to or benefited from BN and Perikatan Nasional (PN), we want the opposition to win as many seats as possible.
We want a good check and balance to the proven kleptocrats of 60 years. That should be the ultimate aim. Not fighting over which mangy cat should stand in which territory. We want the cat which can catch the mice.
To us, it doesn't matter who in the opposition stands in which seat. We go for whoever can win it. It doesn't matter even if PKR president Anwar Ibrahim, DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng or Amanah chief Mohamad Sabu have to give up their seat.
So PKR, stop bringing down the opposition on behalf of BN and PN even before the battle has begun. I think people are fed up with Pakatan Harapan infighting, and that is why they lost Sabah, Malacca and Sarawak. The worst culprit is very telling, ie PKR, and that is why they got almost wiped out.
How confident is PKR in winning the 20 seats it grabbed? Even in the best-case scenario of widespread anti-establishment uprising in GE14, PKR only won seven seats compared to 14 for DAP and even newcomer Amanah got six.
With all the negativity against PKR since GE14 and especially against the sly fence-sitter Anwar, how sure is PKR able to retain the seven seats even?
Anwar has blasted his own battlefront by breaking away from Harapan. He thinks the PKR logo will bring in the seats, but even in GE14 with the opposition using the PKR logo, they won only seven.
Is Anwar letting lose his minions to attack Muda while seat negotiations are going on? Will he tell them to shut up? Of course not.
There is nothing wrong in reprimanding elected representatives if they are not performing. We don't want the BN/PN culture where everything is covered up and whistleblowers are harassed.
Muda fought in court to implement the Undi18 and automatic voter registration. Where were these PKR Youth chiefs then?
I don't care if someone is arrogant or doesn't toe the party line when wrong. All I want is someone who can fight for democracy and our rights. We need a change from the geriatric sickening politics.
Some say Muda should just take what is given. But I would say Muda should contest PKR’s 20 seats and see who wins, PKR or Muda. After all, as I said PKR is on the way to another big disappointment. Why give away the seats to Umno/PN easily?
Iphonezours: Why is there all this discontent in PKR with Muda? Give them a break.
PKR has contested in Sabah, Malacca and Sarawak polls and the results have not been anything to shout about. If Muda is able to deliver something meaningful to the opposition seats, that would be great.
At the end of the day, one has to look at the big picture or use the big tent concept that Harapan has been championing. A seat win for any party is a win for the opposition.
I can see DAP and Amanah being more open in their approach to Muda by giving six seats, however, it’s not quite the same with PKR. It’s best for the opposition to be united than fractured.
Anonymous9483: Right now, PKR is the only component party in Harapan which at least has some credible appeal to the Malay masses.
And looking at the voting patterns, we all know that you need to at least have a party that can win Malay votes in order to get enough seats to form the government.
One may argue that Amanah can play that role, but the truth remains that PKR has a much larger grassroots machinery and Amanah is merely riding on the coattails of both PKR and DAP.
If Harapan is to really ditch PKR, who among all the Harapan component parties is going to take up the role of winning the Malay votes?
And who is going to replace Anwar as the opposition leader? Lim or Anthony Loke from DAP? Mat Sabu or Salahuddin Ayob from Amanah? Or Syed Saddiq from Muda?
Let's face the fact, DAP will probably be smart in not offering themselves as the opposition leader despite having the most seats in the federal opposition. There are no credible Amanah opposition leaders too.
As for Syed Saddiq, it is highly doubtful that DAP or Amanah would want an opposition leader from a party that only holds one seat in Parliament.
With GE15 fast approaching, Harapan will still need to face the reality of putting up a poster boy as its PM candidate.
The Wakandan: @Anonymous9483, yes, it is foolhardy to ditch PKR. These are probably anti-Harapan trolls who are fishing in muddy water to weaken Harapan probably from the aspect of demonising him.
The fact that their point of attack is Anwar, a Harapan leader, obviously they have that objective - destroy Anwar and you would destroy Harapan.
Harapan does not have as much Malay support as the traditional Malay parties like Umno or PAS. These are still Malay heavyweights despite their setbacks in recent polls.
Without PKR, Malay support would be lesser still as you rightly pointed out. The reason being: Amanah’s support base is from the PAS pond. It is either PAS or them.
PAS diehards are unlikely to exchange it with Amanah, the reason why the latter did not prevail in Kelantan or Terengganu, traditional PAS strongholds.
Muda, is well Muda, young and unproven.
Basically, the likely support for Harapan are the non-Malays, the young (hopefully Muda can attract them) and the liberal Malays. Forget about the hardcore Umno and PAS supporters. They will not change allegiance.
Harapan realistically should try to consolidate these supporters who gave them GE14. It is truly a mistake should Anwar, like former PM Dr Mahathir Mohamad before him, try to outdo PAS and Umno in race and religion.
Why would they choose Anwar for those reasons, when they could already choose a better one in Umno or PAS?
Harapan should try to convince the Malays that their future in this country is already assured, whether Harapan or PN or BN are in power. They have passed that stage.
The next stage is about prosperity, not degrading their quality of life. If the nation goes south, their lives would naturally follow. That they do not want.
Harapan should aim at wiping out corruption. Make that a strong point in their manifesto. Mahathir was right on this but his racist leaning was not.
So, forget about replacing Anwar. Until a new leader is chosen, he is all you have at this point in time.
Reset123: Don’t start fighting even before the real battle begins. If Muda does not deliver, then it has to answer to Harapan and to others as well.
YOURSAY | ‘They’re fighting over which mangy cat should stand in which territory.’
Discontent continues to simmer in PKR Youth towards Muda
Falcon: There are far too many loose cannons in PKR. If the criticisms came from seasoned campaigners and those with proven track records, it may make sense.
But coming from persona non gratas and novices (PKR Youth and women’s wing members), on the back of two state election wipeouts, it’s shocking.
The ground has drastically changed since GE14 and changing still. Today it's glaring that PKR is the odd party with its rather strange leadership at each other’s throats within and among alleged partners.
When one cannot even control one's party or lead, it’s time to go. But no, they want all the 'big 4' in the coalition, each trying to believe they are still in control.
If handled badly, Johor will prove that their dream is over, political calculations wrong, and the nightmare starts as GE15 will be a predictable outcome.
Dr Raman Letchumanan: For us who are not connected to or benefited from BN and Perikatan Nasional (PN), we want the opposition to win as many seats as possible.
We want a good check and balance to the proven kleptocrats of 60 years. That should be the ultimate aim. Not fighting over which mangy cat should stand in which territory. We want the cat which can catch the mice.
To us, it doesn't matter who in the opposition stands in which seat. We go for whoever can win it. It doesn't matter even if PKR president Anwar Ibrahim, DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng or Amanah chief Mohamad Sabu have to give up their seat.
So PKR, stop bringing down the opposition on behalf of BN and PN even before the battle has begun. I think people are fed up with Pakatan Harapan infighting, and that is why they lost Sabah, Malacca and Sarawak. The worst culprit is very telling, ie PKR, and that is why they got almost wiped out.
How confident is PKR in winning the 20 seats it grabbed? Even in the best-case scenario of widespread anti-establishment uprising in GE14, PKR only won seven seats compared to 14 for DAP and even newcomer Amanah got six.
With all the negativity against PKR since GE14 and especially against the sly fence-sitter Anwar, how sure is PKR able to retain the seven seats even?
Anwar has blasted his own battlefront by breaking away from Harapan. He thinks the PKR logo will bring in the seats, but even in GE14 with the opposition using the PKR logo, they won only seven.
Is Anwar letting lose his minions to attack Muda while seat negotiations are going on? Will he tell them to shut up? Of course not.
There is nothing wrong in reprimanding elected representatives if they are not performing. We don't want the BN/PN culture where everything is covered up and whistleblowers are harassed.
Muda fought in court to implement the Undi18 and automatic voter registration. Where were these PKR Youth chiefs then?
I don't care if someone is arrogant or doesn't toe the party line when wrong. All I want is someone who can fight for democracy and our rights. We need a change from the geriatric sickening politics.
Some say Muda should just take what is given. But I would say Muda should contest PKR’s 20 seats and see who wins, PKR or Muda. After all, as I said PKR is on the way to another big disappointment. Why give away the seats to Umno/PN easily?
Iphonezours: Why is there all this discontent in PKR with Muda? Give them a break.
PKR has contested in Sabah, Malacca and Sarawak polls and the results have not been anything to shout about. If Muda is able to deliver something meaningful to the opposition seats, that would be great.
At the end of the day, one has to look at the big picture or use the big tent concept that Harapan has been championing. A seat win for any party is a win for the opposition.
I can see DAP and Amanah being more open in their approach to Muda by giving six seats, however, it’s not quite the same with PKR. It’s best for the opposition to be united than fractured.
Anonymous9483: Right now, PKR is the only component party in Harapan which at least has some credible appeal to the Malay masses.
And looking at the voting patterns, we all know that you need to at least have a party that can win Malay votes in order to get enough seats to form the government.
One may argue that Amanah can play that role, but the truth remains that PKR has a much larger grassroots machinery and Amanah is merely riding on the coattails of both PKR and DAP.
If Harapan is to really ditch PKR, who among all the Harapan component parties is going to take up the role of winning the Malay votes?
And who is going to replace Anwar as the opposition leader? Lim or Anthony Loke from DAP? Mat Sabu or Salahuddin Ayob from Amanah? Or Syed Saddiq from Muda?
Let's face the fact, DAP will probably be smart in not offering themselves as the opposition leader despite having the most seats in the federal opposition. There are no credible Amanah opposition leaders too.
As for Syed Saddiq, it is highly doubtful that DAP or Amanah would want an opposition leader from a party that only holds one seat in Parliament.
With GE15 fast approaching, Harapan will still need to face the reality of putting up a poster boy as its PM candidate.
The Wakandan: @Anonymous9483, yes, it is foolhardy to ditch PKR. These are probably anti-Harapan trolls who are fishing in muddy water to weaken Harapan probably from the aspect of demonising him.
The fact that their point of attack is Anwar, a Harapan leader, obviously they have that objective - destroy Anwar and you would destroy Harapan.
Harapan does not have as much Malay support as the traditional Malay parties like Umno or PAS. These are still Malay heavyweights despite their setbacks in recent polls.
Without PKR, Malay support would be lesser still as you rightly pointed out. The reason being: Amanah’s support base is from the PAS pond. It is either PAS or them.
PAS diehards are unlikely to exchange it with Amanah, the reason why the latter did not prevail in Kelantan or Terengganu, traditional PAS strongholds.
Muda, is well Muda, young and unproven.
Basically, the likely support for Harapan are the non-Malays, the young (hopefully Muda can attract them) and the liberal Malays. Forget about the hardcore Umno and PAS supporters. They will not change allegiance.
Harapan realistically should try to consolidate these supporters who gave them GE14. It is truly a mistake should Anwar, like former PM Dr Mahathir Mohamad before him, try to outdo PAS and Umno in race and religion.
Why would they choose Anwar for those reasons, when they could already choose a better one in Umno or PAS?
Harapan should try to convince the Malays that their future in this country is already assured, whether Harapan or PN or BN are in power. They have passed that stage.
The next stage is about prosperity, not degrading their quality of life. If the nation goes south, their lives would naturally follow. That they do not want.
Harapan should aim at wiping out corruption. Make that a strong point in their manifesto. Mahathir was right on this but his racist leaning was not.
So, forget about replacing Anwar. Until a new leader is chosen, he is all you have at this point in time.
Reset123: Don’t start fighting even before the real battle begins. If Muda does not deliver, then it has to answer to Harapan and to others as well. - Mkini
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