Ibrahim Ali, you blatantly called on Muslims to burn Bibles here in Malaysia, if this were to have been said by some non Muslim about the Koran it would have wrecked havoc the world over, you'd see demonstrations, and maybe even killings such is the response, that is the typical reaction we would have witnessed, not that I am saying all Muslims are that way but that would have been the general reaction from Beirut to Jakarta, from New York to London the world over and that is a fact.
If it was done in the Muslim world the man who said such a thing about the Koran would be no more, and yet you have the double standards, it is all right for you people to say anything you like, as you like attacking other peoples sacred beliefs, and I suppose you are right the Federal constitution guarantees the freedom of speech and expression but when anybody else uses this freedom in such circumstances you cry for blood, you ask for that that person be charged and killed, what is this in you I wonder. It's not only me who is trying to figure this out it is the whole world, why is it you feel that you are the only people in the world who are given an Allah given right to do such things, abuse others, use others, defile other peoples beliefs and places of worship, and that is all right as though you are the only righteous people in this whole world, and the others owe you all the respect for it.
I am glad the great majority of Muslim s do not subscribe to your narrow way of thinking, just like most Christians do not subscribe to Christian fundamentalism
In fact if there is are protests about agaisnt any non Muslim who even whispers something about Islam some 20,000 miles the following protests by Muslims in Kuala Lumpur would have been led by none other than you, and that too is a fact, but you see we the Christians do not deal with such issues in that way.Now imagine what woudl have happen if I shared this piece with the people in countries like Holland, New York, London and Australia, I do not intend to, you see I am a Christian and that is not how we respond.
We will not stoop to do what you have done, we are different we are Christians. You see Our Lord Jesus Christ asked us to love those who persecute us, who tell lies about us, who do bad things to us, for there is no greatness in loving those who love you even the biggest crooks in the world do so, even the most wicked in the world love those who love them, so there is nothing great in that. I'd rather stop as you may interpret it as proselytising one of the things you accuse us of doing and one of the reasons you do not want us to use the word Allah in our Malay Bibles.
You called for the burning of Bibles because you claim that there is a group who tried to proselytise Muslims, which you know is totally fabricated and I have a strange feeling you are the one who is spinning this rumour, fed by your sponsor to try and unite Malays using religion.
Proseltyisng of Christians in rural and poor areas by offering monitory reward has been the order of the day and since it does happen it must be reciprocal, you can't claim a right only for yourself and your beliefs alone, our beliefs are sacred to us too and the constitution of this country guarantees every citizen regardless of race or creed the freedom of religion.we do not stop Christians from embracing the Islamic faith the world over not only in Malaysia, so why do think you are entitled to this right alone especially in a country where the constitution guarantees freedom of religion to all including the Muslims?
Your arrogance in part stems from the support and encouragement you have been accorded by Tun Dr. Mahahtir Bin Mohammed the former Prime Minster of Malaysia, our beloved country, and a man who has rather unsuccessfully tried to portray himself as a "moderate Muslim," for the entire Allah issue was created by him rather than by the less intelligent ministers who once served him in government as many may believe, for they are but pawns he uses for his own purpose to this day just like he does you.
In fact on the day you issued your call to burn Christian Bibles he delivered the opening speech at the meeting of you NGO Perkasa. He is seen as it's main sponsor I'd like to let the world know how deceptive this person is .
Inciting sectarian violence and using religion for political ends have been the domain of such people, for them the ends justifies the means, and you naive as you are (I am trying to be polite here) you are the tool of this man he has read you like a book and he uses you at every corner, he is famous for this and that is why Nazri a minister from his own cabinet once referred to him as a "bloody racist."
Now we on the other hand are aggrieved, at what you said, but remember that Christians used the term Allah long before the Muslims did, I do not think you have the mental capacity to understand that so I am not going to pursue that with you.
I know that like me, you believe that Allah was the creator of the whole Universe and everything that is in it and that includes you and me unless of course you choose believe otherwise.
Now if you believe that then it is the same Allah that made you and me what is wrong in my calling upon the same Allah?
If anybody should have got angry and sentimental UMNO style, it should have been the early Christians and others who used to pray to Allah before the Muslims as the Allah predates Islam, but that can't be the case and everyone including the Muslims of early days and even today understand that, Allah is God and as such no one can claim aright to Allah.
Allah cannot and shoudl not be made an issue, it is blasphemous, Allah is above all these things and we shoudl not draw Allah into petty squabbles especially if it is meant for political ends.
We shall ask all Christian faithful to pray for you, to pray that you understand better and get out of this darkness that blinds you so that you shall be able to see the light. That is what we are commanded to do.
We shall pray for you to be a better Muslim, like the others I know.
We do not really blame you, how can we? I don't think anybody really does, not you and I'll tell you why.
We realise your shortcomings, Nazri once told us you talk only nonsense and no one takes you seriously that is why you are not arrested for all these outbursts, any other Malaysian I suppose would have been arrested but we know the Chief Mufti of Perak got off Scot free for his inciting trouble agaisnt the Christians as well so Nazri can't be correct, if I said or did something something far lesser the Minister of Home Affairs would have had me arrested immediately as a threat to the nation.
Anybody else in Malaysia would have been arrested, you are the only one left off the hook, and there can only be two reasons, one is you are used by some really very powerful people, the other is like Nazri would have us believe, you are so stupid, that you are the only one in the country to be given this exception, and I beg to differ with Nazri, it can't be only you, for now there seems to be group distributing flyers asking people to attend the burning of Bibles in Butterworth this Sunday.
So you see there are others like you too, and so Nazri can't be completely right.
I'll try and make sense with you, the word Allah is Arabic, it is also the Malay word for God, and it has been used in Malay Bibles since the 16th Century, it is used by Christians the world over and your excuse, which is this government's excuse as well is that, "it will confuse the Malay Muslims."
Well it has never confused the millions of Indonesians, the Bangladeshis, the Arabs and the rest of the Muslim world thus far, and from the 16th century to this day it has not confused the Malays, are you now telling us that the Malays have gone backward since our independence under this Barisan Nasional Government that they now can't reason as well as they did then?
We Malaysians always thought the Malaysian Muslims we were far more progressive and tolerant and moderate as some people would describe us, I believe so too to this day, but elements like you the scumbag of our society with the backing of the government of the day, and coupled with police protection go about with a free reign promoting violence agaisnt the Christians for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
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If it was done in the Muslim world the man who said such a thing about the Koran would be no more, and yet you have the double standards, it is all right for you people to say anything you like, as you like attacking other peoples sacred beliefs, and I suppose you are right the Federal constitution guarantees the freedom of speech and expression but when anybody else uses this freedom in such circumstances you cry for blood, you ask for that that person be charged and killed, what is this in you I wonder. It's not only me who is trying to figure this out it is the whole world, why is it you feel that you are the only people in the world who are given an Allah given right to do such things, abuse others, use others, defile other peoples beliefs and places of worship, and that is all right as though you are the only righteous people in this whole world, and the others owe you all the respect for it.
I am glad the great majority of Muslim s do not subscribe to your narrow way of thinking, just like most Christians do not subscribe to Christian fundamentalism
In fact if there is are protests about agaisnt any non Muslim who even whispers something about Islam some 20,000 miles the following protests by Muslims in Kuala Lumpur would have been led by none other than you, and that too is a fact, but you see we the Christians do not deal with such issues in that way.Now imagine what woudl have happen if I shared this piece with the people in countries like Holland, New York, London and Australia, I do not intend to, you see I am a Christian and that is not how we respond.
We will not stoop to do what you have done, we are different we are Christians. You see Our Lord Jesus Christ asked us to love those who persecute us, who tell lies about us, who do bad things to us, for there is no greatness in loving those who love you even the biggest crooks in the world do so, even the most wicked in the world love those who love them, so there is nothing great in that. I'd rather stop as you may interpret it as proselytising one of the things you accuse us of doing and one of the reasons you do not want us to use the word Allah in our Malay Bibles.
You called for the burning of Bibles because you claim that there is a group who tried to proselytise Muslims, which you know is totally fabricated and I have a strange feeling you are the one who is spinning this rumour, fed by your sponsor to try and unite Malays using religion.
Proseltyisng of Christians in rural and poor areas by offering monitory reward has been the order of the day and since it does happen it must be reciprocal, you can't claim a right only for yourself and your beliefs alone, our beliefs are sacred to us too and the constitution of this country guarantees every citizen regardless of race or creed the freedom of religion.we do not stop Christians from embracing the Islamic faith the world over not only in Malaysia, so why do think you are entitled to this right alone especially in a country where the constitution guarantees freedom of religion to all including the Muslims?
Your arrogance in part stems from the support and encouragement you have been accorded by Tun Dr. Mahahtir Bin Mohammed the former Prime Minster of Malaysia, our beloved country, and a man who has rather unsuccessfully tried to portray himself as a "moderate Muslim," for the entire Allah issue was created by him rather than by the less intelligent ministers who once served him in government as many may believe, for they are but pawns he uses for his own purpose to this day just like he does you.
In fact on the day you issued your call to burn Christian Bibles he delivered the opening speech at the meeting of you NGO Perkasa. He is seen as it's main sponsor I'd like to let the world know how deceptive this person is .
Inciting sectarian violence and using religion for political ends have been the domain of such people, for them the ends justifies the means, and you naive as you are (I am trying to be polite here) you are the tool of this man he has read you like a book and he uses you at every corner, he is famous for this and that is why Nazri a minister from his own cabinet once referred to him as a "bloody racist."
Now we on the other hand are aggrieved, at what you said, but remember that Christians used the term Allah long before the Muslims did, I do not think you have the mental capacity to understand that so I am not going to pursue that with you.
I know that like me, you believe that Allah was the creator of the whole Universe and everything that is in it and that includes you and me unless of course you choose believe otherwise.
Now if you believe that then it is the same Allah that made you and me what is wrong in my calling upon the same Allah?
If anybody should have got angry and sentimental UMNO style, it should have been the early Christians and others who used to pray to Allah before the Muslims as the Allah predates Islam, but that can't be the case and everyone including the Muslims of early days and even today understand that, Allah is God and as such no one can claim aright to Allah.
Allah cannot and shoudl not be made an issue, it is blasphemous, Allah is above all these things and we shoudl not draw Allah into petty squabbles especially if it is meant for political ends.
We shall ask all Christian faithful to pray for you, to pray that you understand better and get out of this darkness that blinds you so that you shall be able to see the light. That is what we are commanded to do.
We shall pray for you to be a better Muslim, like the others I know.
We do not really blame you, how can we? I don't think anybody really does, not you and I'll tell you why.
We realise your shortcomings, Nazri once told us you talk only nonsense and no one takes you seriously that is why you are not arrested for all these outbursts, any other Malaysian I suppose would have been arrested but we know the Chief Mufti of Perak got off Scot free for his inciting trouble agaisnt the Christians as well so Nazri can't be correct, if I said or did something something far lesser the Minister of Home Affairs would have had me arrested immediately as a threat to the nation.
Anybody else in Malaysia would have been arrested, you are the only one left off the hook, and there can only be two reasons, one is you are used by some really very powerful people, the other is like Nazri would have us believe, you are so stupid, that you are the only one in the country to be given this exception, and I beg to differ with Nazri, it can't be only you, for now there seems to be group distributing flyers asking people to attend the burning of Bibles in Butterworth this Sunday.
So you see there are others like you too, and so Nazri can't be completely right.
I'll try and make sense with you, the word Allah is Arabic, it is also the Malay word for God, and it has been used in Malay Bibles since the 16th Century, it is used by Christians the world over and your excuse, which is this government's excuse as well is that, "it will confuse the Malay Muslims."
Well it has never confused the millions of Indonesians, the Bangladeshis, the Arabs and the rest of the Muslim world thus far, and from the 16th century to this day it has not confused the Malays, are you now telling us that the Malays have gone backward since our independence under this Barisan Nasional Government that they now can't reason as well as they did then?
We Malaysians always thought the Malaysian Muslims we were far more progressive and tolerant and moderate as some people would describe us, I believe so too to this day, but elements like you the scumbag of our society with the backing of the government of the day, and coupled with police protection go about with a free reign promoting violence agaisnt the Christians for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
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